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Subject   Re: Cold Fusion on 60 Minutes!
Posted by Chris Bradley on 2009-04-20 18:18
Yes, good to be able to see this, and understand the press' latest predilections on these subjects. Thanks for the link, Richard.


Richard Hull wrote:
> 60 minutes reported that a recent DARPA report following government sponsored experiments openly concluded in its research summary that there is definitely something to the phenomena of deuterium loaded, lattice based, excess heat production.

As the other chap pointed out, it is that *they* think there is definitely...


> The initial opening interview was with Mike Mc Kubre of SRI international, whom I have met. For such a serious researcher, his first few thoughts were unusually bold and I felt a bit out there. However, he settled down as the piece went on. With video editing we don't know that they were even time ordered comments, having been selectively stripped from 3 hours of interviews. (Been there, had that done to me).

It did give that impression! I thought he was just about to be set up to talk about interstellar propulsion!!!.... I suppose the 'end point' remains of, even, more interest to the general public who know nothing of the actual science.


> The key point was when CBS inquired, rightly, to the heads of the APS, (American Physical Society), as to a recommendation from them to a top notch, unbiased, person to help them look at this without a pre-disposition on the subject.

Both the 'alternative' scientists, this one included, started off by talking about potential issues measuring the power in. So I tried to spot the kit they were using, and it all looked very 'linear' type V and A stuff. My question would be - is the resistance of these cells expected to be 'ohmic'? Well, it might be but I wouldn't presume that is so. In which case, surely you'd need some much more fancy kit that can measure phase responses, reactive impedance, etc., and I don't think I saw any such kit. Maybe they did have it - anyone recognise what they are using? If these reaction cells do present reactive, variable loads then I'd expect to see variable results, somewhat depending on how the kit used samples the input values...... There are so many issues with measuring RF power of *know* characteristics that if there are high frequency ripples of *unknown* characteristics then the potential to mis-measure is enormous. Was this chap well versed in EMC/RF metrology?

I agree with Frank S.' suggestion; set up two cells together in one thermally isolated cell, one water one heavy water, then run 'em both exactly the same. Which way does the heat flow after a few hours? The only way to do it properly?...


> The physicist admitted, on camera, that he was now a convert and was stunned that this got shoved into a bad place years ago.

It is an odd admission to make by a senior scientist, and noteworthy for it. I have learned the hard way to always use the double-negative means in such scenarios to express such sentiments; 'I see no reason to doubt...', 'The results are not inconsistent with'... Why was he so sure to make stronger claims?

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