Operating Pfeiffer TC100 Controller

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Operating Pfeiffer TC100 Controller

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Hello all,

After months of searching, I finally managed to find a new turbo pump for a good deal. This is it:
Pfeiffer TMH 071 P
Pfeiffer TMH 071 P
The upper bearing is magnetically levitated and the bottom bearing is oil compensated. However, since it requires such little oil, the pump comes with small "canisters" of oil that can be replaced easily.

It also came with a TC100 controller, which is the subject of this post. On eBay (which is where I got this pump) there are several listings for the exact pump. In a few of them (such as this one:https://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-Pfeiffer- ... SwcaFZEA26) the pump can be seen spinning with a few alligator clips connecting the controller to a DC supply. I've asked each of the people selling these pumps, but none of them have given me any info on how to achieve this.
Top view of controller
Top view of controller
Side view of controller
Side view of controller
So, does anyone have experience in operating these controllers with a couple of pin-outs as seen in the above listing? If so, please let me know what pins to connect to what in order to get it to spin up.

Thanks,
-JO

P.S. I tried my best to make the first photo vertical, but despite my efforts it kept going horizontal. Sorry.
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Re: Operating Pfeiffer TC100 Controller

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The TC100 is an older (but nice) controller, be careful NOT to use the pinout for the TC110 controller as this will damage the TC100 controller

Here is the connection to run the controller (white is +24v, bare is ground):
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a manual for your pump/controller combination is attached, pinout is on page 9 of the PDF
Pfeiffer TMH 071 Turbo Pump Manual.pdf
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Re: Operating Pfeiffer TC100 Controller

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I grounded pin 15, supplied +24v @ 4.2A to Pin 1, and connected pin 7 to pin five with is supposed to turn it on. When I switch the power on, the pump moves a little, then switches direction and then moves a little. Then it stops and the current being pulled from the supply increases as if the pump were spinning up. What am I missing? From the Pfeiffer turbo pump start-ups I've seen on YouTube, it should start accelerating after it turns itself around.
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Unsure, could you send a picture of your setup?
How long did you wait after connecting the power?
How much current is being supplied from the supply while the pump is not spinning?
Does the rotor spin freely?
Try connecting 3,4 and 5 to 7 like in my picture.
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I wait just a few seconds after the pump stops moving and the current begins to rise. I'm worried that leaving it could damage the pump, but maybe it just needs to pull enough current and then it'll spin up. The supply is set to 4.2A, but the controller only takes around .06. When I switch the pump on, it increases. The farthest I've let it go was to .8A. The rotor does indeed spin freely. I'll get back to you momentarily with a picture and my results with connecting pins 3,4, and 5 to pin 7. Thanks for the quick responses!
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I just did another test but instead of shutting off the supply as soon as the pump stops moving, I waited a moment. A couple seconds later, the pump began to accelerate like it should. Andrew, thanks for your help once again! I finally have a working turbo!
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That's the typical pfeiffer start sequence. The TC600 series drives do the same thing.
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Re: Operating Pfeiffer TC100 Controller

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I've since done a several vacuum tests with the turbo and have had disappointing results. When it's hooked up to my system, the lowest vacuum I can pull is about 50 microns. Usually, I can pull around 20-30 microns. When I turn the pump on, the gauge rises to about 65 microns and then steadily drops to about 35 microns. This is were it bottoms out. Interestingly, when I turn the turbo off the pressure immediately drops down into the 20's. Is it possible that the magnetic field coming from the turbo is messing up my gauge? Also, it's very likely I may have a leak. The pump didn't come with the venting valve pictured on page 4 of the manual: download/file.php?id=13528. In order to plug the hole I tried to use a 1/4" npt plug with Teflon tape. However, I could only screw it in a couple of mm. Also, this is the first time I have ever used an ISO flange, so there could be issues with that as well. There are no problems with the pump spinning up at all. It's incredibly smooth and makes the expected noise when spinning up.

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It is very likely a leak.

The pfeiffer vent valve is a G1/4 thread, also known as a BSPP. These threads are designed to seal with a captive o-ring. This is a parallel thread and will not seal with an NPT, which is a taper thread as they will bind and are a different pitch. Do not attempt to thread the NPT in any further or you may damage the thread on the pump.

If you used an 1/4NPT plug, you probably screwed it into a differential pumping port (located between the turbomolecular and molecular drag stages). This port is typically only used in residual gas analyzer applications and should be plugged. The vent valve port is a smaller, G1/8, lower port on the pump.

you can buy a G1/4 plug for the differential pumping port here
https://www.mcmaster.com/#4860K126

you can buy a G1/8 plug for the vent valve port here
https://www.mcmaster.com/#4860k125

What is the best backing pressure you can obtain?
What type of pressure gauge do you have?
Send pictures of your system.
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Unfortunately, living in the US usually leaves me with only npt threads. I've since purchased the correct plug. The best backing pressure I can reach is 20-30 microns. I have a Yellowjacket 69086 gauge: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yellow-Jacket- ... xy2YtRsLuQ.
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McMaster is a US company, they ship fast and have a good selection of products.

What are you using for your vacuum pump, do you know the lowest pressure with the turbo off?
How are you connecting the Yellowjacket to the turbo?
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I've used McMaster-Carr many times. They are top-notch suppliers for almost everything. I will send pictures as requested within the next day. The lowest pressure with the turbo turned off is 50 microns due to the leaks. The Yellowjacket is connected to my system with Npt threads, which is connected to the turbo. When the gauge is placed at the head of the turbo the gauge jumps up to atmospheric once the turbo is turned on. Once the turbo is switched off the gauge drops back down.
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50 microns might just be the maximum vacuum of the backing pump. It's more then sufficient to pack a turbo pump. Jumping to atmospheric when the turbo is switched on is very unusual, I suspect a problem with the gauge.

I would recommend an MKS 901P vacuum gauge instead
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MKS-901P-901P- ... Sw1gRaeOIg
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You may need a better gauge, what are you using?
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Re: Operating Pfeiffer TC100 Controller

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I agree, I definitely need a proper gauge, not an HVAC gauge. How do I find the pin out for this gauge? Is there a proper controller? How do I read the pressure off it?

Thanks!
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The 901P is well worn and has been used by a couple of guys:

http://fusor.net/board/viewtopic.php?f= ... 01p#p78358

http://fusor.net/board/viewtopic.php?f= ... 01p#p78768

You'll find more on it if you use the forum search

Google is generous too:

http://www.idealvac.com/files/manuals/901manual.pdf
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Re: Operating Pfeiffer TC100 Controller

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Ahh, I have had some thermoucouple gauges act weird when they get below their lower limit. These HVAC gauges were never intended to see anything that a Turbo pump runs at.

You can get away with one of the 901P's but if you really want to see what the turbo can do you need an ion gauge. I have gotten several PKR-250 and 251 wide range gauges over the years off ebay. I dont think I have ever payed more than about $100 for one, Varian and other also make versions. Though you just cant go wrong with a standard hot ion gauge. I have a couple analog controllers lying around that I dont need any more...
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