Review article on beam/accelerator driven fusion?

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Re: Review article on beam/accelerator driven fusion?

Post by Richard Hull » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:47 pm

Yes, trying to find out what was what in a hail of Xrays/gamma with its broad spectrum would be a nightmare. The fusor is actually a failed x-ray machine, unless you have a large glass view port. Its x-ray spectrum would be really wierd and contain, virtually, a zoo of energies. Naturally, the bulk of the x-ray flux, at our typically applied potentials, never exit the device.

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Re: Review article on beam/accelerator driven fusion?

Post by Dennis P Brown » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:32 pm

The amount of "proton" produced Bremsstrahlung is essentially zero in a fusor; this is due to the mass difference between electrons and protons. The average rate of electron Bremsstranhlung radiation is 10^13 greater (relative to power radiated) so then any radiation produced by a proton for any given energy - adding the fact that the electron velocities are many orders of magnitude greater than protons for a plasma (again, the mass difference) any such signal produced by a proton at fusor energies would further mean that such Bremsstrahlung radiation is again, essentially zero.

As for frequency of direct head on collisions between protons, this would not be a million to one (resulting in easily 10^16 such direct collisions in a fusor which would produce a huge signal) but, while I am not interested in doing the calculation, it is many orders of magnitude lower than that figure resulting in this, again, being an irrelevant occurrence so that no measurable signal for such an event is likely to be obtained.

Assuming that a collision process (where protons routinely are stopping in a fusor due to head to head collisions) is common and that proton in a fusor can create Bremsstrahlung radiation via interactions with other protons to create a viable signal to measure are, I feel, both inaccurate relative to what really occurs in a fusor and produces so few events as to be not realistic to be measured; these events are so rare as to be utterly irrelevant so I stand by my statements as accurate representations of what can and does not really occur in a fusor.

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Re: Review article on beam/accelerator driven fusion?

Post by Sven Andersson » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:23 am

John Futter wrote:Sven
I cannot think how you would measure your "gamma bremsstrahlung" in amonst a ton of x-ray bremsstrahlung as the detector cannot distinguish whether the energy recieved is gamma or x-ray
It's a challenge, but I think it can be done. It requires, of course, a physics lab; it's nothing you can do at home. First thing you need is a gamma spectrometer. And a very carefully setup experiment, well shielded, from cosmic rays etc. Timing is important; the bremsstrahlung I hypothesize exists, should arrive at the detector, in advance of the gamma rays from the fusion itself.

Something that might be worth trying (to eliminate thermal motion) is to grow perfect crystals of Li-6 or Li-7 and the see what happens if you vary the angle of incident particles. If you experiment with Lithium, that is. Wait, a large, perfect crystal of Lithium-6 hydride (or Li-7), and then bombard it with protons at different angles.

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Re: Review article on beam/accelerator driven fusion?

Post by Sven Andersson » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:27 pm

Dennis P Brown wrote:The amount of "proton" produced Bremsstrahlung is essentially zero in a fusor;
The mechanism for fusion in a Fusor or a Tokamak is just that the fuel nuclei happen to be close in momentum space. This is Charles S. Cagle's mechanism for fusion. He removed his web-page, but you can find it in the link below. Fusion actually has nothing to do with banging nucleii into one another. Read the prophet Sir Charles! He knows everything.

http://web.archive.org/web/200008172348 ... tents.html

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Re: Review article on beam/accelerator driven fusion?

Post by David Kunkle » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:03 am

I hope you're kidding? Spent some time looking at that site. I'm afraid Sir Charles scores awfully high on the 'ol index: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
Commercially available fusion reactors that give off no harmful radiation by 2001? He's a little behind schedule.
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Re: Review article on beam/accelerator driven fusion?

Post by John Futter » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:52 am

Sven
Yes you could grow di-lithium crystals and using an antimatter containment device get all that energy for your warp drive
(Ithink this was looked after by Scottie on the USS Enterprise)

PS I work in a nuclear Physics laboratory and what you want to do is not possible until a ready source of
high yielding flux capacitors is to be had ( all rights here to back to the future)

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Re: Review article on beam/accelerator driven fusion?

Post by Richard Hull » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:45 am

I too, looked at the URL and the guy is kind of out there. There is a lot of self-proclaimed geniuses with new theories with no real proof or even experiment to back up their claims.
Just as there are many gurus there is also a cadre of enthralled followers for each guru. New energy and free energy sites abound with great promises and zero delivery. It is the nature of man to seek hope and the mission of these gurus to supply that hope.

This fellow's ideas are rather hollow and filled with holes and his efforts contain no real material results.

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Re: Review article on beam/accelerator driven fusion?

Post by Sven Andersson » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:15 pm

John Futter wrote:PS I work in a nuclear Physics laboratory and what you want to do is not possible until a ready source of
high yielding flux capacitors is to be had ( all rights here to back to the future)
Flux capacitors?

What I claim is that towards the end of the tail of the bremsstrahlung continuum, there can be found traces of radiation that originates from the deceleration of the few nuclei that travel exactly towards a target nucleus. In your opinion, can this radiation be detected? What about my idea of detecting the time of arrival of the radiation?

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Re: Review article on beam/accelerator driven fusion?

Post by John Futter » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:30 pm

Ah yes
But when did it start

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Re: Review article on beam/accelerator driven fusion?

Post by Sven Andersson » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:11 pm

To Futter, Hull and Kunkle: dont write it off as nonsense until you can really be sure that it's nonsense! Cagle's physics that is.

In 1958 two swedish guys claimed that they had been in a fight with UFO-nauts that looked like grey dough. UFO-Sverige has written a long report on the case, many, many pages, interviewed witnesses and so forth. There is, of course no need for any investigation or action of any kind since everyone knows it's just nonsense. However don't write somebody's new physics off before you know for sure!

The great eye opener in my case was reading Cagle's theory on how a fusion bomb really works. Can be found in the part The Physics of Successfull Fusion.

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