New Tokamak turns on

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Re: New Tokamak turns on

Post by Richard Hull » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:38 pm

Thanks for another positive blast on the tokamak. Same ole - same ole, though.

I like the bit about the older model going 29 hours straight with plasma in 2015. No data, of course, on the energy applied over that period or any verbage about break even on that run.

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Re: New Tokamak turns on

Post by Dennis P Brown » Wed May 03, 2017 2:45 pm

LOL; it doesn't even have its magnetic coils yet! What a joke - if attempts to wring every drop of news was helpful, then they are already running boron fusion ...so, they get their first plasma with no magnets - wow; more people here have done far more then these losers. People like this do such harm to real progress/projects (yes; ITER isn't to much different) and just prove that there are fools who will believe/invest in anything as long as it doesn't make any sense (Half way on their goal of fusion energy by 2030!)...uh, think that last statement has some political overtones.

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Re: New Tokamak turns on

Post by Richard Hull » Wed May 03, 2017 4:49 pm

Fusion energy has been a political/news cycle effort to get money into institutions since the 1950's. The money has ballooned from millions to billions as the fusion football is kicked about. The result is not an in-sight set of goal posts, but instead a small tennis ball bouncing from court to court with each racket strike costing more and more such that the design and putting forth a better racket becomes the mission.

Fusion energy is a racket, that if solved and brought to the fore, would end the racket business for thousands of physicists. When you are in the racket business and your future depends on continual attempts to offer up a better racket, the design of the ultimate racket would end the tennis match under which rackets are tested and constantly offered up.

We are farther along in the perfecting the racket business that ever before......Just ask any one in the racket biz.

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Re: New Tokamak turns on

Post by Dan Knapp » Thu May 04, 2017 1:17 am

I think some of you guys are letting your animosity toward tokamaks warp you. I take offense to anyone referring to fellow fusion scientists as losers. Such terms are inappropriate in a civil discussion of science. Save these terms for political discussion where they are appropriate. The Tokamak Energy group includes some very good people. I share your skepticism toward ITER, but this group is a different breed. These guys are the rebels of the tokamak crowd. They grew up on MAST and JET and then rebelled and split away.. They have the right idea that for fusion to be practical, the reactors can't be ITER size. Sure they stretch things for PR, but that is essential to keeping the ball rolling when all of the money is going to ITER. They are making progress. I agree that fusion is still a long way off, but I feel strongly that we need to be working on it. I think a lot more progress could be made if all the ITER funding was directed toward smaller alternative concepts.
Nearer term solutions (following next generation fission reactors) could lie in hybrid systems, with direct relevance to the fusor group. Take a look at what Apollo Fusion is pursuing.

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Re: New Tokamak turns on

Post by Richard Hull » Thu May 04, 2017 8:09 pm

Fusion sceintists are not losers at all! They are winners! They have prestige, funding, pre eminence in their field and the well wishes of the masses. It is only over unity, 24-7-365 power ready fusion energy that they lack. The fusion discovery clock started ticking in 1932 and is ticking awaiting fusion's glorious promise.

Fission discovered in 1938 to first electrical output used to power the entire EBR-1 Idaho facility 1951. 13 years from not knowing fission existed to kilowatts of fission electricity powering an entire nuclear plant facility. 16 years from the 1938 discovery until two cities were running off distributed fission generated electrical power. (1954)

85 years since fusion's 1932 discovery.......no continuous over unity.......no electrical power output. Doing fusion is easy! We've shown that here. Controlled nuclear fusion to generate electrical power has, thus far, been demonstrated over and over again to be absolutely impossible. They tell us it is not easy to do, yet....tic....tic....tic

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