Soft x-ray induced fusion is the way to go!

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Soft x-ray induced fusion is the way to go!

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Soft x-ray induced fusion is the way to go. That's how fusion weapons work, BTW. There are strong indications of this. Make a picture search on Google for teller ulam, and at least 15 pictures show up that all show the thick plate of Uranium or Tungsten, that through compton scattering, transforms the initial gamma rays to soft x-rays.

There is even a film on YouTube that shows soft x-ray induced fusion!

Just search for "Neutron Activation-desktop.m4v" on YouTube, posted by Olivia Koski, or go to http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/category/fusor/ and scroll down about 50% of the long page and the video is there under the headline "Fusion attempt live feed".

Their comment is (on the web-page):

"Towards the end of the experiment we noticed a wild outburst of geiger activity while the fusor was _not running_. Not sure what this means. We got it on video:"

The soft X-ray induced fusion reactions occur in bursts in the video when the fusor is OFF. Here is what happens; the fusor is a metal sphere filled with deuterium gas at very low pressure. It has just been turned off so the hollow wire cathode in the middle is still hot and electrons continuously "pop off" this metal surface and are accelerated by the electric potential that still exists. The electrons collide with the metal walls or anode and give off bremsstrahlung. There is probably a capacitor in the electrical setup that holds the residual potential.

Now the voltage is initially 40kV. Then the Fusor is turned off. The voltage slowly drops, and all this time the whole device actually functions as an X-ray tube. When the voltage has dropped to around 20 or 30 kV, soft X-rays are given off. That is soft X-rays that are of exactly the right wavelength to induce fusion in D2 molecules.

When the soft x-ray induced fusion reactions occur, charged particles are produced that momentarily discharge the electric potential. That's why the fusion reactions occur in bursts.

If somebody has access to a Beryllium window x-ray tube (soft x-rays are stopped by glass) and deuterium gas (the best container for the deuterium gas is probably a small foil balloon), the experimentum crucis that proves this once and for all, can be done in a matter of hours.

And then a reactor can be constructed easily!

If you are interested in helping with this contant me: pairwise relations [at] hotmail com

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Somewhat preposterous on the face of it! The video shows nothing that can't be explained in any number of other ways. One of the comments even asked for more input. We don't see the entire setup. The power was obviously removed fully as a variac was turned down to extinguish the plasma. There is no remnant charge on anything. A geiger counter will not herald fusion, just charged particle radiation and very low energy x-rays, which, as you note, will not penetrate the glass.

More data needed on the complete setup and a broader, fuller image of the gear. A rolling video with wide and tight shots with full narration might, (only might), help discover the true source of the counts.

You say geiger counter, but fusion is only heralded by a proper neutron counter. A neutron counter can avalanche in amateur hands based on any number of issues related to its operation.

I would have to say, no fusion, whatsoever, is going on in the video and that no proof of your point is extant.

The video is a result of Mark Suppes operation which folded up last year and his gear was sold off. He failed in his attempt at the polywell (His original plan or goal.)

Postscript: Jake Hecla explains, very well, the Teller Ulam compression bit below.

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The Teller-Ulam design relies on soft x-ray compression to achieve the enormous pressure and temperature required for ignition. There's an enormous difference between shooting a few stray x-rays at a balloon of D2 and compressing something to the point of thermonuclear fusion using photon pressure. I'll leave it up to you to figure out how many orders of magnitude you're off, but I can assure you that your expected result is impressively wrong. A re-perusing of the appropriate wikipedia pages is certainly called for. As has been stated by others, there is no mechanism by which soft x-rays catalyze or otherwise facilitate fusion beyond momentum transfer/fuel heating in a thermonuclear device.

Further, your experimental ethics are disturbing. If you really thought this was possible, your proposed experiment would endanger countless people in your vicinity. Adding to this, you've asked members to ship you D2 in large, static-y balloons. Not only is this illegal due to the fire hazard for postal workers, but would likely fall afoul of laws regulating the transfer of materials useful in nuclear proliferation.
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Have to say, I skipped straight past this post first time around, but seems to keep cropping up.

The problem with the 'inception' of this experiment is that in a regular fusor the x-rays will be a continuum of energy levels from a couple of keV (lowest produced in the metal electron shells) through to the higher continuum at and beyond the natural energy emissions of those atoms.

Just because you set a fusor to operate at 30kV doesn't mean you will get specifically and only 30keV x rays out.

In other words, if this effect was gonna happen in a 'regular' fusor at a specific voltage setting, then it would already be working at higher voltage settings. Maybe it does? I dunno. Doubt it, but how would you measure it if you are already expecting to see fusion at those applied potentials?

It's a bit like heating up a lump of metal to incandescence. Same principle in many ways. You don't just get one narrow band of wavelength, you get all the wavelengths down through infrared too.

Why did Suppes machine produce a few extra 'pulses' of detected radiation when he shut it off? Well, it isn't to do with any lingering voltages because if there were such fields still present then so a plasma would be present. The plasma is conductive and the fields will collapse with the plasma down to the extinguishing voltage.

More probable would be some residual electronic behaviour as the power supply shuts down, producing some electro-magnetic interference to the detector electronics, would be my guess.

There is no 'resonant' fusion behaviour of deuterium gas in response to x-rays that I have ever heard reported. Sorry. This is nothing to do with why x-rays play a part in an atomic weapon, as already mentioned here, the illumination levels sufficient to create a viable photon pressure sufficient for thermonuclear fusion are simply unimaginable compared with any lab experiment you could possibly conceive of. 10's of orders of magnitude greater than anything you could imagine doing in a lab experiment, even with pulsed laser power.

I expect the appropriate quantities to talk about the required x-ray power for photon pressure in an h-weapon is 'yottawatts' (which is a measure of power I have never got to use before in any discussion!).

I can see where you're going with the idea, though, apply radiation of a wavelength that matches the bond between the hydrogen atoms. You could probably do this with D2O too, though, if that theory held up and would be easier for you to get that set up. But no evidence yet to show this happens, and it should be happening already if it were viable.
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The other problem with x-rays doing anything within a fusor is the huge mean free path. The flux needed to have any interaction is off the charts. X rays are a non-factor.
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