Re[2]: Simple fusor losses
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Clay's response is interesting.

I have never considered the electron as part of the fusion process in any utility other than as a "deutron maker" or ionizer particle. I am positive it is not directly involved in any fusion processes at our energies. We really just want to keep them a free electrons and not have them recombine with outer shell atoms, thereby losing system energy as low grade heat. Although, such low grade heat could boil or heat water giving a part of the input energy back. (lousey carnot efficiency)

I will show my colors and say, I have always considered the neutron a lilliputian, singularly unstable, hydrogen atom when loose in space. Assembled solely in stars strictly as part of the "nuclear glue" for larger nuclei they not a natural stable particle in the universe. I feel that the neutronic electrons, electrostatically bind the nuclear protons together in a sub-nuclear dance beyond our kin. (I am willing to not only say I can't say why, but am willing to accept that I might never know why or have any way of finding out!!)

No muons, gluons, tachyons, neutinos etc., Just good old ultra-short range electrosatic forces.

The "knee action" or electron-proton foldover to a neutron requires gravitational or inertial forces beyond our reach. They are formed as part of the normal stellar fusion processes making heavier nuclei beyond hydrogen. Interesting how no protonic masses beyond hydrogen exist without neutrons. I find it stunningly amazing to dream up other stuff to glue the nucleus together when electrostatic forces are right there and understood.

We are told that the nuclear dimensions are such that electrostatic forces of electrons and protons could not produce the binding energies seen. Fine. But this is based on preconcieved notions of nuclear diameters and ranges which are themselves inferred and never physically measured from experiments which are themselves subject to uncertainties. Nonetheless, way back when, these tenants were accepted as physical results. So, we dream and muse ourselves into a "standard model" which, while rather self consistent, might be totally whacked out. Any holes that show up in the dike are plugged rapidly by good little doctoral seeking "Dutch Boys" with new particles of varying charms, flavors, colors, or ups or downs. Give me a large personal break here!!! Common sense? You bet! They got none of it!

Things are simpler than they appear. Only the mind of man, his agendas and desires are complicated. Nature organized herself along simpler lines getting more complex only in larger, more varigated structures.

I'll hop off the soap box now.

Richard Hull


Created on Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:29 AM EDT by Richard Hull